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Art Waugh 10-14-2009 12:59 PM

Deschutes/Ochocco TMP
 
Deschutes/Ochocco TMP DEIS is out for a 45 day comment period. A no action and two other alternatives. I know DC4WD has been working on this one and we need to get their input and get comments in. These two forests at least want to work with us.

Peppermint Patti 10-14-2009 01:17 PM

That is correct and the comment period ends November 23, 2009. This EIS is for implementation of the Travel Management Rule (prohibiting cross-country travel) as well as the Motorized Access for Dispersed Camping. It DOES NOT pertain to the Proposed Lava Rock OHV System, the Proposed Ochoco Summit OHV System or the Proposed Three Trails OHV System which are all addressed in separate NEPA documents. This EIS is currently available online, however, hard copies are not yet available.

http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/centralorego.../deis-comp.pdf

Basically, this TMP EIS designates all Level II and higher roads and closes all Level I roads. Alternative 1 is the “No Action” alternative, Alternative 2 designates the roads and establishes motorized access for dispersed camping and Alternative 3 is similar to Alternative 2 but prohibits camping in designated roadless areas.

Our recommendation will be for Alternative 2 with specific changes. We are currently evaluating several of the Level 1 roads which we would like to see remain available for travel and will post specific talking points and road recommendations upon completion of our review.

Art Waugh 10-14-2009 02:34 PM

I don't know if you are refering to the other three proposals when you say hard copy not out, but the Deschutes/Ochocco TMP is out in hard copy, that is what I got yesterday.

I know that McKinzie was holding off on a couple of routes across the PCT up at Big Lake. Does it look like any of those routes on the Sisters side will get included to tie in and where we can pressure McKinzie to open the ones that are delayed/closed pending the Deschutes plan?

Peppermint Patti 10-15-2009 07:46 AM

Not everyone has received their Deschutes/Ochoco TMP. The regional office said that the printer did not mail out the hardcopies until Oct 9 (last Friday) and that we should receive them no later than the end of this week. Hardcopies are now available in the headquarters office.

Peppermint Patti 11-04-2009 04:53 PM

The DC4W trails committee is still working on the Draft EIS, although we have prepared a list of changes we are requesting be made. It is critically important for everyone to write an email asking for these specific changes. Please send your email before November 20th to comments-pacificnorthwest-deschutes@fs.fed.us. You must submit your comments in a format such as an email message, or you may use the following formats: (.txt), (.rft) or (.doc). You will get an electronic response saying your message has been received. Here are the changes we are requesting. You may cut and paste these items into your email, but you must provide your own personal opening sentence.

1. Road 16 from the south end at Three Creeks Lake northward to the intersection with Road 1620 is currently designated as FSM 7711.3.5a, - Open Only to Highway Legal Motor Vehicles. We request that this road be changed to FSM 7711.3.5b - Open to All Motor Vehicles or to FSM 7711.3.5g - Special Vehicle Designation (36 CFR 212.51; FSM 7711.3) to allow use by OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles. Currently OHV Class II vehicles are allowed on Road 370, as well as most of the roads to the northwest of Road 16. Our club regularly travels Road 370 and continues north to the Dugout Lake area. This change will allow for connection of these two areas, as there are no other road options available.

2. Roads 1514 and 1524 located just northwest of Road 16 are proposed by the Plan to be changed to FSM 7711.3.5a - Open Only to Highway Legal Motor Vehicles. We request that these roads also have a FSM 7711.3.5g - Special Vehicle Designation allowing OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles.

3. We request a change of all looped and/or connecting ML 1 roads located in the Kiwa Butte area from Road 45 on the west to Road 41 on the east, and from Road 46 on the north to Road 4140 on the south. The roads are currently ML1 roads and we ask that they be changed to FSM 7711.3.5b - Road Open to All Motor Vehicles or to FSM 7711.3.5g - Special Vehicle Designation allowing OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles. This is a popular area for OHV Class II recreationalists.

4. Road 4525 in the Edison/Wake Butte area is proposed by the Plan to be changed to FSM 7711.3.5a - Open Only to Highway Legal Motor Vehicles. We request that this road have a FSM 7711.3.5g - Special Vehicle Designation allowing OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles. The Edison Butte OHV system is currently the only designated OHV Class II area.

5. Road 4050 in the Wake Butte area is proposed by the Plan to be changed to FSM 7711.3.5a - Open Only to Highway Legal Motor Vehicles. We request that this road have a FSM 7711.3.5g - Special Vehicle Designation allowing OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles. The Wake Butte area has been proposed by our club to the Forest as a potential future OHV Class II area and is used extensively by OHV Class II recreationalists.

6. In the Wake Butte area, Road 400 lies directly adjacent and parallel to Wake Butte from Road 40 to Road 4030. In the approximate center of Section 14, T20S, R9E, there is a road from Road 400 leading northeast up to a viewpoint on Wake Butte. While this spur road does not appear on the current system maps, it is obviously an administratively constructed road and not a user created trail. The surface of the road has been bladed in the past and water bars are present. We request this route be added to the Plan (36 CFR 212, FSM 7700 and FSH 7709.55), with a FSM 7711.3.5g - Special Vehicle Designation allowing OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles.

7. Road 9710 adjacent to the north side of the Monument is classified as FSM 7711.3.5a - Open Only to Highway Legal Motor Vehicles. We request that this road also have a FSM 7711.3.5g - Special Vehicle Designation allowing OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles. This road is a main access route for OHV Class II recreationalists to reach the upper elevations northeast of the monument.

8. Road 1810 is proposed by the Plan to be changed to FSM 7711.3.5a - Open Only to Highway Legal Motor Vehicles. We request that this road also have a FSM 7711.3.5g - Special Vehicle Designation allowing OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles. Again, this road is a main access road to the higher elevations east of the monument and is heavily used by OHV Class II recreationalists.

9. There are two utility easement roads which pass through the monument just east of Hwy. 97. These roads are Road 1800012, the powerline road, and Road 1800013, the gasline road. Road 9735 also passes through the Monument. Currently, all routes within the Monument are designated as FSM 7711.3.5a - Open Only to Highway Legal Motor Vehicles. During the working group discussions, you, (Mr. Allen) stated that technically OHVs could be allowed to pass through the Monument. While we understand the position of not allowing OHV motorcycles and quads to operate on Monument routes, we request that these three sections of roads have a FSM 7711.3.5g - Special Vehicle Designation allowing OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles to pass through the Monument.

10. Road 9724 accesses Sugar Pine Butte. Directly southwest of Sugar Pine Butte is a small butte encircled by Road 9724800. Road 9724800 is currently shown as a closed ML 1 road, although it is actively used by OHV Class II recreationalists. We request that this road be changed to a FSM 7711.3.5g - Special Vehicle Designation allowing OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles.

11. Directly east of the aforementioned Road 9724800, Road 9725730 connects from Road 9725 to Road 9724. While this connection is not shown on system maps, it is heavily used by OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles, particularly during the winter months. We request this route be added to the Plan (36 CFR 212, FSM 7700 and FSH 7709.55), with a FSM 7711.3.5g - Special Vehicle Designation allowing OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles.

12. Road 9735 is proposed by the Plan to be changed to FSM 7711.3.5a - Open Only to Highway Legal Motor Vehicles. We request that this road also have a FSM 7711.3.5g - Special Vehicle Designation allowing OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles. This road is a main access road to the areas west of the Monument.

13. Many of the roads located within East Fort Rock OHV area are designated as FSM 7711.3.5a - Open Only to Highway Legal Motor Vehicles. We request an additional designation of FSM 7711.3.5g - Special Vehicle Designation allowing OHV Class II 4x4 highway legal and non-highway legal vehicles. This will allow non-highway legal OHV Class II vehicles to legally access the various rock/cinder pits that are proposed by the Plan as Areas Designated Open to Motorized Access Off Designated Routes, particularly the extremely popular Ground Hog Rock Crawl pit that was constructed by our club.

14. Many of the roads and all of the user-created routes in the Cabin/Coyote Buttes area are proposed to be closed by the Plan. The area surrounding these buttes is plagued by numerous problems including severe trash dumping, innumerable user-created trails, uncontrolled target shooting and extreme enforcement challenges. Simply closing this area will not stop these problems. Trash dumpers are not likely to look on a MVUM to see where they can legally drive. For the past several years, Deschutes County 4-Wheelers have hosted the annual Horse Butte Recreational Area Clean Up in an effort to reduce the trash problem, yet it returns immediately. In addition, this area is popular with local OHV users due to its close proximity to town.

Several years ago, the Deschutes County 4-Wheelers submitted a proposal for a Cabin Butte/Coyote Butte OHV Class II Trail System. This trail system consists of loops and trails which would provide a wide range of activities and levels of difficulty for OHV Class II users. In addition, this trail system would incorporate “trail filters” thereby reducing the occurrence of trash dumping by eliminating access to the area by the average vehicle. Trail filters are obstacles located at the beginning of each trail which are equal in difficulty to the most difficult obstacle along the trail. Our proposed trail system also provides for erosion control, the removal of all other user-created trails, and reforestation of the area. The existing cinder pits would still be accessible by the general public.

The negative environmental impacts of this proposal would be minimal while the positive impacts would be significant. Positive impacts would include reduction in water erosion, reduction in soil erosion, removal of unnecessary routes, decrease in illegal trash dumping and reforestation of the area.

We request that this trail system be incorporated in the Plan.

We will post our comments concerning the text of the plan as soon as possible. Thank you to everyone who is willing to help us out by sending in your comments.

CJ3BWILLYS 11-06-2009 07:40 AM

Patti, I hope I see you at the region meeting this weekend, I've got a few questions about this. :)

Art Waugh 11-09-2009 07:53 AM

They sent out corrections for addresses to submit comments, includes mail, email and fax. Will put them up Tommorrow.

Art Waugh 11-10-2009 10:20 AM

These are the corrections to the contact errors in the DEIS.

Mail address is:

Deschutes and Ochoco National Forests Travel Management Project
172 E 500 S
Bountiful, UT 84010


E-mail is:

donf@contentanalysisgroup.com

Fax is:

801-397-1605

Peppermint Patti 11-10-2009 11:21 AM

Thank you Art, I was going to do the same thing today:

Mail comments to:
Deschutes and Ochoco National Travel Management Project
172 E 500 S
Bountiful, UT 84010

Email to:
donf@contentanalysisgroup.com

Fax to:
801-397-1605

Hand deliver to:
John P. Allen
Forest Supervisor, Deschutes National Forest
1001 SW Emkay Drive
Bend, Oregon 97702

Phone comments to:
541-383-5300

mrsbobcat 11-10-2009 03:27 PM

You rock Patty!


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