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Old 05-05-2010, 05:53 PM
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White River Recreation Users
* Next Meeting on Tuesday May 11, 2010
7:00 9:00 p.m.
at the department of Natural Resources Conference Building, at the corner of Highway 410 and Farmen Road, in Enumclaw.

Agenda Topics:
Recreation Update
- 2010 Season Projects update
- Volunteer agreements for 2010
- Volunteer workparties 2010

Other Topics

For further information, contact Bob Pacific at (360) 802-5310 or Mary Coughlin at (360) 802-5309
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Is there any news to share from the mentioned meeting? Can you speak to the width restrictions conversations if any were had?
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Old 05-13-2010, 12:25 PM
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Sorry I was tied up on Tuesday night dealing with a property line dispute so I didnt make it. From what I have gathered there was some discussion of a 72-74" width restriction on the books from when the park was created. The FS is looking into putting that restriction into force (much like the seasonal clouser)
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At some point there really needs to be some discussion about width requirements on trails.
Going forward all of our vintage, narrow rigs( my 74.5 inches will already be illegal at Evans and I roll on 33's) will be in the minority. If you check out all of the newer jeeps that will be modified are built from the factory- are already wider without modifications. I am looking for the specs sheet, but almost all of the newer jeeps are over this width requirment. When are we going to catch up to reality? If we want to attract new members and share the joy of offroading this will have to be considered. Please tell me someone is listening to me? Please also feel free to move this to wherever it needs to be posted, probably not here.
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We listen to everyone especially our members whom we represent. That's why if you look at the Thread going on NWW about this I said We don't have a opinion as yet. We will discuss this at the next region meeting on Thursday 5/20/10 but some on line discussion on here is great as well. The FS has been looking at ways to keep the trails within the guidelines that they MUST follow. I have a feeling that there will be new restrictions coming down the line. This may effect width , tire size, length, . We are already seeing time restrictions on when the trails will be open.

I see no reason as to why not to discuss it here. No matter where we do discuss it what ever is said will find its way out onto the web anyway. As I said We will discuss at the region meeting and the region will tell Derick and myself what our position is going to be and we will work with that.
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Thank you Jim. I think this warrants at least a conversation. Looking down the road these are the specs of the jeeps we will/are see(ing) on the trails. Keep in mind that most likely be modified.

http://www.jeep.com/hostc/vsmc/vehic...ode=CUJ201006# Go to Dimensions & Capacities on the left, check out the widths

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At some point there really needs to be some discussion about width requirements on trails.
Going forward all of our vintage, narrow rigs (my 74.5 inches will already be illegal at Evans and I roll on 33's) will be in the minority. If you check out all of the newer jeeps that will be modified are built from the factory- are already wider without modifications. I am looking for the specs sheet, but almost all of the newer jeeps are over this width requirment. When are we going to catch up to reality? If we want to attract new members and share the joy of offroading this will have to be considered. Please tell me someone is listening to me? Please also feel free to move this to wherever it needs to be posted, probably not here.
I am listening Nichol & couldn't agree more.

We should be working with the Forest Service to rewrite these outdated regulations that DO NOT apply in today's world. I understand that 70 inches hub-to-hub was absolutely appropriate when these areas were originally developed, BUT times have changed & so have the rigs we see using our trails.

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We listen to everyone especially our members whom we represent. That's why if you look at the Thread going on NWW about this I said We don't have a opinion as yet. We will discuss this at the next region meeting on Thursday 5/20/10 but some on line discussion on here is great as well. The FS has been looking at ways to keep the trails within the guidelines that they MUST follow. I have a feeling that there will be new restrictions coming down the line. This may effect width , tire size, length, . We are already seeing time restrictions on when the trails will be open.

I see no reason as to why not to discuss it here. No matter where we do discuss it what ever is said will find its way out onto the web anyway. As I said We will discuss at the region meeting and the region will tell Derick and myself what our position is going to be and we will work with that.
I guess I will see you at the next region meeting then
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We should be working with the Forest Service to rewrite these outdated regulations that DO NOT apply in today's world. I understand that 70 inches hub-to-hub was absolutely appropriate when these areas were originally developed, BUT times have changed & so have the rigs we see using our trails.
I completely agree with this statement.

Thank you for providing reminders about the previous poll results.

And thank you Nichol for providing some hard numbers.
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I am listening Nichol & couldn't agree more.

We should be working with the Forest Service to rewrite these outdated regulations that DO NOT apply in today's world. I understand that 70 inches hub-to-hub was absolutely appropriate when these areas were originally developed, BUT times have changed & so have the rigs we see using our trails.



I guess I will see you at the next region meeting then

Be careful with the above statement. There is much said that applies but the full story has not been stated. The width restriction may not apply to todays vehicle standard but what else also does not apply to todays standard. Has anyone here other than myself ever been to a White River meeting and heard from Bob Pacific that under todays regulations Evans Creek could not be built? I have heard that not only from Bob. The FS was speaking from soil conditions to water quality and other enviromental/ecological concerns that Evans Creek would not meet the standards in place today.

There is much that does not meet "Todays Standard".
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Be careful with the above statement. There is much said that applies but the full story has not been stated. The width restriction may not apply to todays vehicle standard but what else also does not apply to todays standard. Has anyone here other than myself ever been to a White River meeting and heard from Bob Pacific that under todays regulations Evans Creek could not be built? I have heard that not only from Bob. The FS was speaking from soil conditions to water quality and other enviromental/ecological concerns that Evans Creek would not meet the standards in place today.

There is much that does not meet "Todays Standard".

You could say the same for floating bridges, highways, dams & agriculture. Any "new projects" have to pass many regulations to be allowed to be upgraded to today's standard. We have to widen highways to accomodate people to get to work, we build bridges across waterways that may endanger the fish. These projects all get accomplished and they are allowed to be maintained and upgraded due to the fact they already were in existance. Why should it be any different for Evan's Creek?
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