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Old 01-28-2011, 07:33 AM
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Default Thoughts on Recreational Annual Pass?

I would like to start a discussion on the proposed Rereational Annual Pass for $40 starting in September 2011

Does everyone understand the breakdown of where your money is going?

8% to Dept of Fish and Wildlife
8% to Dept of Natural Resources
84% to Washington State Parks and Recreation Commission

thoughts?
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:55 AM
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There's a simillar thread running but here's what I wrote..

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"This was discussed at the Reiter focus group meeting this evening. The 84%-8%-8% is based on the requested budget from the 3 agencies. Parks requires a much larger budget to make ends meet......I think the breakdown needs to be researched and needs to be based on the areas where the users recreate who bought the passes...The fee is based on a goal of 71 million dollars for all 3 agencies to make budget. What happens to the monies past the 71 mill hasen't been addressed. We need to be sure this money won't get taken for the general fund.....02c "

I also wrote that I think this plan stinks.
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Old 01-28-2011, 05:40 PM
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I agree with Binder, This plan stinks to no end. 84% to state parks is wayyyy to much. I have no issue with the $40.00 but I want to be able to designate where it goes or at l.east who benifints the most from it
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Old 01-29-2011, 10:38 AM
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I am going to hold off on comment or judgement until the final draft is issued, as this draft is a rough draft, brought up only for discussion...
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Old 01-29-2011, 12:29 PM
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I know that WA DNR is in a bad financial situation, but our elected folks in Olympia already stole our funding (NOVA) to pay for state parks...now they want us to fork over additional money with out any guarantee that they won't just take it as well.

Am I missing something here?

I'm not opposed to a pay-to-play system, but would like to know that the money was directly supporting OHV recreation. Mark Maureen has already said that he can't guarantee anything.

Something stinks
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Old 01-29-2011, 02:16 PM
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I am all about paying as long as the money goes toward the areas that I am playing in. Also I would like to see some kind of wording in there to say that if the money is taken from the DNR that I no longer have to pay for this pass to play in DNR land. A little checkbox on the pass registration could tell us what the split is.

EX, when you buy the pass mark where you will be using the pass-
-State parks (car camping/ picknics)
-D F&W (hunting/fishing/hiking)
-DNR (recreation sites)

Now I would like to see the DNR recreation split up into Motorized/non motorized/hiking categories but no matter what I want it will probably not happen.
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Old 01-29-2011, 02:52 PM
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A little checkbox on the pass registration could tell us what the split is.

EX, when you buy the pass mark where you will be using the pass-
-State parks (car camping/ picknics)
-D F&W (hunting/fishing/hiking)
-DNR (recreation sites)

Now I would like to see the DNR recreation split up into Motorized/non motorized/hiking categories but no matter what I want it will probably not happen.
Actually, Mark Mauren said there would be questions each user would answer at the time of pass purchase that would help determine who is actually using state public lands. Motorized, non-motorized, fishing, etc. After a couple years of data collection, they could more accurately split the money generated from pass sales.
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Old 01-29-2011, 03:28 PM
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I dont trust them! I think State Parks is way to top heavy in the management and not at all efficient in their "stewardship" of my money. I dont mind having to pay to play, I just want to have a say in where that money goes! I also feel that we should get a refund on the gas tax that we no longer have a say in where it goes. This has been a sore spot with me for a long time. The tree huggers want our gas tax money to use to close our recreation opportunities. We need to band together and as a whole demand the release of the gas tax money that is no longer being used in the pursuit of OHV activity
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Old 01-29-2011, 03:53 PM
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Just to pour a little gas on the fire.......The system which had been proposed before the state parks got involved was a per person pass. Now it's a per vehicle pass. This way most of the hikers play for free while we pay their way.....The way I see it the only reason state parks is involved in this pass system at all is to make it easier for them to get their hands on the money we pay.
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Old 01-30-2011, 12:27 PM
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One more thing to add. This pass is only for on road licensed vehicles. Trailer queens without a plate won't need this pass but the tow rig would.
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