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Old 01-21-2009, 06:20 PM
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Thanks for the info. We have a few XJs owner in our club that would like to run 4W330. Shoestring was not as tight as we were told by some people. We ran Shoestring east to west in 2007. 2008 we ran String down then Shoestring east. Last year I even used the Blue XJ. So in 2009 we want to do something different to break things up even more. We are hoping for tight trails but do not want to go where we don't fit.
Ceg this is not an accusation of you or who you wheel with. Just a comment cause the Shoestring was tight.

The Shoestring (as other trails) has lost about a 1/4 to 1/2 mile in length. Problem is the technical (tight twisty) sections have been cut out. You can drive the trail and see them. I surmise Quads have something to do with it. Much of the trail has sidewalls and holds water. The Quads take the short path and avoid much of the water. After awhile a bypass is formed and along comes a 4wheel Trail vehicle with a driver not aware of the trail and he/she follows the bypass. I have seen this on the Woodpecker, Quartz Mtn, Divide, and Rocky Saddle (Tipover). The FS is requiring the Trail Jamboree to close as many of these bypass' as we can. But we return each year and find them re-established.

Now before I get flamed let me mention I first noticed this happening after introduction of the YJ. Tight trails started to get trees cut out in corners requiring two of three point turns. I know from experience that the wider track vehicle can't make the ubbertight turns established by the narrow track rigs of yesteryear. I also believe that the YJ's (followed by TJ's) were for the most part rigs bought on credit. When the choice came to rubbing a tree (leaves a mark)(or getting caught up) or making the tree go away "OUT CAME THE SAWS". Now I read threads (on this site and others) that "ALL RIGS HAVE A RIGHT TO RUN THESE TRAILS". Small rigs be ****ed cause here I come in my fullsize. There appears to be nothing we can do. By the time we educate the drivers the damage has been done.

That being said I would love to see at least the bypass's be abolished. I CHALLENGE everyone who runs these trails to always look about for the old trail. When you see it take a few minutes and reroute the trail. Scatter forest duff and branches over the bypass. Drag a log accross the bypass. We will gain on the ground trail mileage.

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Old 01-22-2009, 12:09 AM
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I know you were not accusing us of this type of behavior but Just so everyone who reads this knows we as a club do not believe in by-passes or cutting down trees so the larger rigs will fit!!! In fact we spend countless hours fixing other people's by-passes .Me and Ceg live for the tight twisty trails I do agree with you as the popularity of running trails have increased, Unnamed jerks have tried to make highways out of the trails becouse they are worried that they will have to drive in downtown bellview and be seen with scratches or worse dents in there rigs. I used to run Rimrock with my father when I was a pup and even since then things have changed . I remember when short and dirty used to be so tight that my Dad had to be extremely careful not to wedge his 68 bronco between 2 trees. That was fun. Now just about anyone can run a large rig down that trail ...Not so much fun .It is frustrating . And I worry it will only get worse now that the JK is out . Ok this is were our opinions might differ I have no problems with the Xj size rigs running these tight twisty trails believe me I have seen some incredible driving from Ceg to get around trees without getting dents but I do expect others driving these sort of rigs to run these trails as they were meant to be run .Instead of making the trail to be ran as they think it should be run. The only saw that should come out is the sawzall to get rid of the fender or other parts that keep them from getting through the trail. Now everyone who reads this knows how I feel . If anyone disagrees with my opinion dont worry I can sleep at night knowing that people disagree. I feel no need to argue my points .I hope people will just read it and take what I say in .
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:13 AM
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And thank you for all of the great info . The pics were cool to see and hopefully other folks will upload all the other cool 4wheelin pic files they are hideing from me.
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Ran across these pics I took last year of the west end of the 4W330 trail so I thought I would posted them here.







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Old 02-11-2009, 09:43 PM
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BEST is still running :super:...about 20 members strong, only a third wheel though
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After awhile a bypass is formed and along comes a 4wheel Trail vehicle with a driver not aware of the trail and he/she follows the bypass. I have seen this on the Woodpecker, Quartz Mtn, Divide, and Rocky Saddle (Tipover).
Why can't we mark the trail with diamonds...similar to how snowmobile trails are marked. It seems like that would clear up any confusion & allow the honest folks to stay on the trail.
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Old 02-11-2009, 10:34 PM
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that is exactly what Nancy is doing down at Elbe. each trail has a different color diamond and she has maps that are color coded to match. she did a great job and it could be used in other areas also. probably already is.
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A few more from the RS. In Sashas defense She had broken the front axle the year before on this same hill and was using better judgement this year. This hill is rough and loose if you dont start out strong and keep some momentum your not going to make it up. If you stop the chances of continuing up are slim to none. You will either dig holes or start hopping and then break.
Correction; Sasha S'd the rear springs, broke the T-case mounts, and twisted the rear housing to te point the pinion was pointing up at the underbelly! All this happened the 1st yr the attempt was made....Jim is correct, she err'd on the side of caution this yr... SHE IS PISSED!!!!If nothing else, she's got a bone to pick with that climb!!!
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Old 02-12-2009, 12:27 PM
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that is exactly what Nancy is doing down at Elbe. each trail has a different color diamond and she has maps that are color coded to match. she did a great job and it could be used in other areas also. probably already is.
That is a very good idea. People don't know where the trails is after the by-passes get broke in.
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Old 02-12-2009, 01:40 PM
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that is exactly what Nancy is doing down at Elbe. each trail has a different color diamond and she has maps that are color coded to match. she did a great job and it could be used in other areas also. probably already is.
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That is a very good idea. People don't know where the trails is after the by-passes get broke in.
Different colors for each trail that corresponded to the map would be pretty slick....however, I would be impressed with just having one color of diamond marking the trails.

I envision the diamonds to act like gates or checkpoints on the trail...the user would have to drive between the 2 diamonds...or always stay to the right...you get the idea.

Who has experience with this idea? What am I missing here?

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