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Old 12-08-2009, 02:06 PM
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I agree, the clearer the better.

Be sure to think about how the average Joe will interpret the message.

As an example of what NOT to do:

In 2001 there was an atricle in the local paper with a headline like "Offroaders Tear Through the Colville", describing the damage done by people driving off roads over Memorial Day weekend. There were some examples of obviously bad behavior, like mud bogging in the middle of a meadow.

But they also showed a picture of tracks right beside a sign and claimed that showed that people were ignoring the sign and intentionally tearing things up.

When I went to look at the area, it was real clear to me what had happened. The signs said something like "Vehicle damage to vegetation is a violation of CFR...". These signs were posted in several places along the roads in the area, which has several large meadows popular for camping. The sign in the picture was right next to a track that had obviously been used for quite some time to access one of the meadows. So people interpreted the sign as meaning they should not drive over trees, bushes, etc. Therefore, they should use the existing track to avoid damaging vegetation. Unfortunately, that particular track crossed a low area between the road and the meadow that had become quite muddy due to wet weather before and/or during the holiday weekend.

So, people trying to do the right thing (or at least not do the wrong thing) caused issues that got them lumped in with those who did not care.

I'm not sure how you get the complete, correct message across in that situation, without trying to write a novel on a small sign.
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Old 12-19-2009, 09:22 PM
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We are also looking for inventive and effective signs for the new trail and refurbished trails at the Santiam.

Maximum fines enforced! is our best bet so far. We are open for suggestions.

Clear precise messages with law to back it up is the hope.
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Old 12-20-2009, 09:46 PM
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I think REALLY good siganage and maps are a key. Maps can have the rules well documented on the back.

Trail markings should clearly define the trail corridor on BOTH side of the trail, especially when there are multiple lines available. If you get to run the easywild at Elbe, you'll see what I mean. There is never a spot where you don't know what is and is not part of the trail. Unfortunately all the trail head markings have been destroyed but once you're on the trail, it's very clear.

Any trail intersection should also be VERY clearly marked with good signage like road signs. It's very easy to get off on the wrong track with completely good intentions.
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Old 12-21-2009, 11:50 AM
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I think REALLY good siganage and maps are a key. Maps can have the rules well documented on the back.

Trail markings should clearly define the trail corridor on BOTH side of the trail, especially when there are multiple lines available. If you get to run the easywild at Elbe, you'll see what I mean. There is never a spot where you don't know what is and is not part of the trail. Unfortunately all the trail head markings have been destroyed but once you're on the trail, it's very clear.

Any trail intersection should also be VERY clearly marked with good signage like road signs. It's very easy to get off on the wrong track with completely good intentions.
I like this idea for the enforcement aspect. With Blunt and Clear signage and well marked trails there is no excuse for being off trail! It will be a clear violation of law and therefor make it easy on the LEOs to give tickets. Not only that but it will keep the honest on the right path!
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All are great ideas, suggestions and viewpoints I can agree with. Blunt, straightforward, maps, ENFORCEMENT!

Trail OPEN for Responsible Users ONLY.


maybe add a website address for PNW4WDA, ATV, NMA......
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