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Old 01-22-2009, 07:14 PM
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Wow there's a lot of trails with no width restrictions. Are these PNW4WDA width restrictions or Forrest service rules?

I can't understand why you chase away so many potential new members with rigs close to or over 75 inches? There's plenty of trails for over 75 inches? Seems like this is an attempt to keep the PNW4WDA a narrow jeep club?
I have to admit that I am impressed with your undying ability to ***** about everything that goes against your grain at PNW. If you are so unhappy with the way PNW is run or the way things are set up then why don't you run for office and change them? Or just go away. It takes no brains or effort to criticize others efforts or lack there of. In fact the more one whines and complains the less credibility one has.

I have watched your posts here for the last while and I have to say your only goal seems to be to taunt those that are in positions of decision making.

BTW if I am not mistaken the 75" rules are USFS regs.....

This is not meant to be a flame but for crying out loud......
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Old 01-22-2009, 08:32 PM
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Same arguments, differant forum, differant trail jam. Keep up and everything will be just Ducky! :cool_shades:

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I have to admit that I am impressed with your undying ability to ***** about everything that goes against your grain at PNW Since you know so much tell me what it is?. If you are so unhappy with the way PNW is run or the way things are set up then why don't you run for office and change them? I am only unhappy with a few things but can't afford to travel to washington to change things, so I try on-line. Or just go away Jump off a cliff or mind your own business. It takes no brains or effort to criticize others efforts or lack there of. In fact the more one whines and complains the less credibility one has. As you have clearly showed in this last outburst of no knowledge.
I have watched your posts here for the last while and I have to say your only goal seems to be to taunt those that are in positions of decision making. Totally wrong, it's more my ability to help with many things but I can't make it to a meeting so I qualify for nothing.!

BTW if I am not mistaken the 75" rules are USFS regs..... so your not sure if this is accurate either?

This is not meant to be a flame but for crying out loud......
Seems like one big ol flame to me!

Back to Trail Jam and I'll explain this a little slower so you can catch on. Trail Jam only allows small old jeeps, anyone else is called and refunded their money, told they would not have a good time. So one person has been running the Trail Jam and profiling new members as to only the ones with small jeeps. One person! Has changed the membership of an entire organization because of one run.

This organization changed in the 60's I beleive to include all 4x4 but the only meet and greet run of the year only allows small jeeps. Not fair. Not right. Not Moral. Very underhanded. And there are plenty of trails for ALL 4x4 rigs. This is a huge problem with future membership! This is not a way to bring off road people together, this is to keep them apart! I think it has gone on long enough!

Trail Jam is Tainted and has been so for many years!!!

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Old 01-22-2009, 09:24 PM
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Same arguments, differant forum, differant trail jam. Keep up and everything will be just Ducky! :cool_shades:


We are going to ask that the tone come down just a hair here.

There can be a little elevated discussion in the campfire chat. That is what that area is for.

You do not want to end up with a pink bunny avatar...Let's have fun here...:super:
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Old 01-22-2009, 09:46 PM
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Three trails at Trail Jamboree are open to fullsize rigs. The event has runs for three days. Works out perfect.
See with a little work now all vehicles and all members and all propective members can come. This is what Trail Jam should be!
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Old 01-23-2009, 09:50 AM
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Same arguments, differant forum, differant trail jam. Keep up and everything will be just Ducky! :cool_shades:

Seems like one big ol flame to me!

Back to Trail Jam and I'll explain this a little slower so you can catch on. Trail Jam only allows small old jeeps, anyone else is called and refunded their money, told they would not have a good time. So one person has been running the Trail Jam and profiling new members as to only the ones with small jeeps. One person! Has changed the membership of an entire organization because of one run.

This organization changed in the 60's I beleive to include all 4x4 but the only meet and greet run of the year only allows small jeeps. Not fair. Not right. Not Moral. Very underhanded. And there are plenty of trails for ALL 4x4 rigs. This is a huge problem with future membership! This is not a way to bring off road people together, this is to keep them apart! I think it has gone on long enough!

Trail Jam is Tainted and has been so for many years!!!

You clearly are not as informed as you think you are. Come to trail jam and see what it's about.
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:16 AM
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Folks, this new forum is something we can all be proud of. We are all learning the ropes together here.
We want to keep the outer forums family friendly so younger members can participate without fear.
We will allow an elevated level of discussion in the Campfire Chat area. But will not allow elevated discussion in the other forums.

We do not want to edit posts or delete them. Please work with us and keep your discussion civil.
We are all passionate about our 4 wheeling or we would not be here.
Please, work with the folks that are working behind the scenes to make this happen.
I pruned this thread. Please direct any opinions regarding this to me.

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Old 01-23-2009, 10:52 AM
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See with a little work now all vehicles and all members and all propective members can come. This is what Trail Jam should be!
It's been that way for years...... I never did see how you could say that Trail Jam is tainted. Some of the rigs in our group last year were big enough that they probably could have been classed as "Full Size". Some of the trails I went on were so tight I barely made it through in my TJ (74" wide), so it is not realistic to try and take something larger through.

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Folks, this new forum is something we can all be proud of. We are all learning the ropes together here.
We want to keep the outer forums family friendly so younger members can participate without fear.
We will allow an elevated level of discussion in the Campfire Chat area. But will not allow elevated discussion in the other forums.

We do not want to edit posts or delete them. Please work with us and keep your discussion civil.
We are all passionate about our 4 wheeling or we would not be here.
Please, work with the folks that are working behind the scenes to make this happen.
I pruned this thread. Please direct any opinions regarding this to me.

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Thanks for moving this. Points taken.

The point I was trying to make in my reply to EM was that it is easy to critizie the "LEADERSHIP" anyone can be an arm chair quarter back and point fingers and say your doing it wrong. But a true contributor will voice thier discontent and then offer realistic soulutions. Is everything about PNW perfect ...no. But then that is how we learn and improve, at least one would hope so. I would think it is hard enough to run an organization like PNW with outside oppostion, let alone taking it from your own members also. I am not happy with the fact that meetings seem to be a long ways off, but that is the nature of the beast when your run a 3 state organization. In my short stay here I have noticed that the leadership of PNW is constantly asking for input.

The one constant I have seen in organizations that succeed in thier endevors is that they are unified. There is very little inter-organizational bickering. The one constant I have seen in organizations that fail is whining and bickering and lack of "Positive" input, condemnation of leadership and lack of majority participation. Maybe if there was a " What can we do for PNW" instead of "What is PNW doing for me" we would be making great strides to opening up more land to wheel on and instead of scrounging the crumbs that the Tree Huggers leave us to wheel on.

From what I have seen we need "New" ideas to combat this land grab crap. Dwelling on the Tripower issue is a very insignificant part of the over all picture. Personally I would be happy with the online edition for myself if it would divert funds elsewhere (See EM we agree on something). But by the same token I leave mine out when I am at work and a lot of folks read it, so it's a good way to get the word out on who we are.
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Old 01-23-2009, 11:58 AM
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You clearly are not as informed as you think you are. Come to trail jam and see what it's about.
Read the threads in the old forum. The information is correct and comes from the trail jam organizer. Unless it was conveniently deleted... do you really think I would be that passinate (mad) if I did not have accrurate information?
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Old 01-23-2009, 12:31 PM
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I have read some threads in the old forum. Clearly not all of them. However, I have been involved with Trailjam in some form or another for more than 15 years as a host. Trail jam is and always has been a tool to recruit new membership. It does turn into a reunion/ M&G of sorts when you've attended for so many years but its intended purpose is to teach joe public how to be responsible in the woods. There is ALOT of work that goes into making the TJ successful every year. There are rules for the TJ set forth by the USFS that have to be followed in order for the permit to be granted every year.

I stand by my assessment of your statement that I quoted above. You do not know the workings of Trail jam. I would encourage you to attend but I'm not sure the fullsize trails available for TJ would be much of a challenge for you.
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Old 01-23-2009, 03:43 PM
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Some day I may have a truck small enough to go to Trail Jam. Until then I will go with others who have made the trails with trucks my size. Hope to see it this summer and maybe I'll understand more.

Or was that a (full size) fat joke?
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