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Old 08-20-2014, 11:39 AM
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I will be attending the September 22nd meeting in Battleground and will be applying to participate on the Trail Policy Committee - but this is a public open house and all are invited to participate...

Crystal

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Recreation Trails Policy Background


Updated: August 4, 2014

Go to the original link on the DNR website here:
http://dnr.wa.gov/RecreationEducatio...ls_policy.aspx


On March 28, 2014, Engrossed Substitute House Bill 2151 was signed into law. The main component of this bill directs DNR to develop a recreational trail policy and to adopt the policy by October 31, 2015.

Once a recreational trail policy is in place, DNR will be able to establish trail standards guided by the priorities outlined in ESHB 2151. DNR will work with stakeholders and the public in the development of the recreational trail policy.

Focus on trails
DNR currently manages over 1,000 miles of designated trails statewide. There are also hundreds of miles of user-created trails on DNR-managed lands. A recreational trails policy will allow DNR to continue providing a broad range of sustainable recreation opportunities, including non-motorized and motorized activities such as hiking, horseback riding, mountain biking, motorcycle and ATV riding, and 4x4 use.

How are we going to develop the policy?
The Recreation Trails Policy is going to be developed in partnership with the public. There will be a variety of ways for you to participate. This summer the department is gathering input from agency staff across the state. In late summer and fall there will be several open houses at various locations across the state designed to collect public input.

Later this fall DNR will set up a committee of interested stakeholders who will begin collaborating with the agency to review public comments, identify issues, evaluate options, and develop the policy.

We anticipate a final draft of the policy in summer 2015. At that time there will be an environmental review and public comment period on the proposed policy in compliance with the State Environmental Policy Act (SEPA).

Learn more about the project phases and proposed timeline are identified on the Recreation Trails Policy flowchart.

How can you participate?


Public Open Houses
Attend one of the public open houses later this summer to discuss the project with us and give us your thoughts. The specific meeting locations will be posted on this webpage once they are available.


Thursday - September 18, 2014
6 p.m. to 8 p.m.
DNR Northwest Region Office
919 N Township Street
Sedro Woolley, WA


Monday - September 22, 2014
6 p.m. to 8 p.m.
Dollars Corner Fire Station #26
21609 NE 72nd Avenue
Battle Ground WA 98604


Wednesday - September 24, 2014
6 p.m. to 8 p.m.
Ellensburg, WA

Thursday - September 25, 2014
6 p.m. to 8 p.m.
Spokane, WA

Tuesday -September 30, 2014
6:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m.
Issaquah, WA

Thursday - October 2, 2014
6 p.m. to 8 p.m.
Port Angeles, WA


Trail Policy Committee
Apply to be on the trail policy committee. This committee will include approximately 15 public members and will work with the agency throughout the project. Details of how to apply to be a committee member will be available at the public meetings in the fall and will be posted on this webpage at that time.

Email
Send us an email during the project and share your comments. The email address for this project is trailspolicy@dnr.wa.gov.

E-News
Sign up to receive periodic updates on this project through our E-News distribution. Sign up online.

SEPA
Provide formal comments to us during the SEPA public comment period anticipated in late summer 2015.
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All dates, times and locations have been determined. Go to the following link for all of the details:

http://www.dnr.wa.gov/RecreationEduc...policy_nr.aspx
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To Whom It May Concern:

I just read the most recent Tri-Power from front to back and found in the notes from Fall Delegates Meeting the following:

"Arlene Brooks (Green River Valley Jeepers) said she had seen on the Web Site that Chrystal Crowder (Piston’s Wild) had thrown her name into the ring to be on an advisory committee and was wondering if she was doing this as a representative of the PNW, the Region or her club. Kyle said it’s her club."

I've never been a fan of people speaking on my behalf and even more so when my intentions are being mis-represented. Yes -I am applying to be on the DNR Trail Policy committee.

I am doing so because I believe my trials and errors over the past seven years pursuing and building new trails (concept to implementation) in the Yacolt Burn provides me with a very unique perspective on what could be more efficient. The fact that there were so many factors working against us (including the 4x4 community) that we still managed to overcome should be testament to my dedication to the process.

As for who I am representing?

Yes, I am a founding member and President of Piston's Wild Motorsports.
Yes, I am currently the Washington Land Matters representative for Region 3.
Yes, I have been a member of the PNW4WDA for over 25 years.

I love this sport and 4-wheeling is a very large part of my life. I don't go into any meeting hoping to get creed for any individual, group or entity - I support the sport.

Everything I do is to support the sport. Period.

If life were fair, creed and reward would automatically go to the individuals who do the work - not the person who has the most idle time on their hands and steps up to take the credit while those who do the work are BUSY DOING THE WORK.

I accept the fact that I will probably NOT be selected for the committee because I don't travel in the political circles that would ensure me a seat at the table - but it does not mean I will not try...
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Old 09-24-2014, 08:46 AM
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Crystal--

Knowing you and what you do and how hard you work at doing it, and knowing Arlene, and what she has done and continues to do, I would suspect she and the PNW would support you as a representative to the group. If I was in your shoes I would ask for a letter of support from Angie, and if appointed confirmation from your state Director that you are authorized to represent the PNW at such meetings.

Don't toss the eggs out just yet, with all you have done in Yacolt, and the way you work with other user groups, especially motorized, you might get a very pleasant surprise. I'm behind you 100%
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Old 11-25-2014, 07:07 PM
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Members for the committee were chosen. No one primarily representing the 4x4 community was selected. The closest representative is Dave Hiatt who worked at TSF and is a WOHVA member. There are a few ATV members as well as a Motorcyclist. Of the 16 members, 4 are affiliated with ORV interests.

The meeting is open to the public, it'd be great to have a show of people at this meeting Wednesday December 17th in North Bend. 12-3pm.
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After talking with the DNR today I was able to get Ed Tenny on the committee. Thanks ed for stepping up and making time to represent us.
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:52 PM
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Thank you Jim, for getting Ed Tenny a seat on the committee. I know that Ed is a solid representative for the PNW4WDA community and will represent us well. I appreciate that you took the time to respond to my e-mail concern about the 4x4 community not being represented on this committee - thank you, thank you, thank you.

Now the tough stuff...

I know why I was not selected.
I know why Japerry was not selected.
I know why Horus was not selected.

I think the bigger question here is, "why is the 4x4 community consistently being put in a position by DNR to have to beg for a seat at the table"? Are we not good stewards of the land? Why are they so darn comfortable overlooking our partnership at such an important crossroad regarding trails in the state of Washington?

Also, I think it might be time to really take a good look at the big picture and ask ourselves, do we have enough OHV representation with just 3 types of OHV at the table?

Yes - Dave Hiatt is a hero for Motorcycles and is OHV positive across the board.
Yes - Mike Ames is a hero for ATV's and is OHV positive across the board.
Yes - Ed Tenny is a hero for 4x4's and is OHV positive across the board.

As much as I am not a fan of most of the "big tire" guys (ie 39's+) it might be time for them to have their own seat at the table. Time for them to do the homework, go to the meetings and fight for "their" sport. It is clear to me that the PNW4WDA is being run ragged trying to open "challenging" trails for these guys and keeping the trails maintained to the land manager's standards. While I believe that there are quite a few "good" big tire guys, I also believe that their 10% problem children (just like every group contains) are out there too. What's causing the crazy is that the very small 10% can do a tremendous amount of highly visible, and costly damage in a very short amount of time.

When I arrived (almost late) at the WOHVA meeting on November 9th in Lakewood - it blew my mind that 4x4 attendees were introducing themselves as "big tire guys". First I laughed, because it was kind of funny to hear grown men present themselves that way - but then it occurred to me how much conscious effort is being put into distancing themselves from the PNW4WDA (or little tire guys).

Motorcycles and ATV's drew a line in the sand years ago and now they are drawing a line in the sand again - forcing UTV's (Class IV in Oregon) to fight their own battles and get their own trails. I don't think dirt bikes and ATV's would mind sharing trails with UTV's if it were not for the fact that making trails wide enough for UTV's literally opens the door for small 4x4's. Dirt bike guys and ATV guys support us but are not interested in being responsible for maintaining trails utilized by 4x4's - because it costs too much money and it is too much **** work!

The prelude and "test run" to this idea is the long running battle between the short wheel base (Jeeps) -vs- the long wheel base (Full Size). WOW took a pretty good stab at it as have a few other groups, but no one pushed it all the way to the next level - I think the time is now! If not now - then when?

The motorcycles, ATV's, UTV's and 4x4's have all been getting along quite nicely as of late because they are no longer consumed with fighting each other. I believe WOHVA has lead that charge and has been very successful - thank you WOHVA for your efforts on this front. With my experience I have learned that agencies LOVE it when we fight with each other - it saves them the effort and usually results in fewer OHV trails being built / maintained.

I think it is time that we all focus on what we want, what we need and get to the business of doing what is important to us. I think it is time to stop trying to merge the "big tire" guys into the PNW4WDA - they are not interested in our way of life. You don't have to take my word for it - just go to ANY 4x4 forum and read your fill. If we could apply even 10% of the effort that is consumed by the "little tire" guys fighting with the "big tire" guys to the trails - the results on the ground would blow your mind...

So, Jim Putnam, Washington Executive Director for the PNW4WDA, here is my big ask for you today - I am asking you to fight for another seat at the table for the "big tire" guys (we need to find a better name for them obviously) - maybe purpose built vehicles (PBV's has a nice ring to it). Use your political powers to get the 4x4 communities to a place where we don't have to spend all of our spare time fighting with each other. I am also requesting that our President, Angie Marek, get involved if Jim is unsuccessful in this endeavor. Please drive this one home for everyone's sake...

Even if you don't want to support the "big tire" guys - do it for the other OHV reps so that they can focus on their sport and their trails instead of having to defend the flaws of the entire off-road community.

Keep in mind that precedence is already being set in the non-motorized community. You have naturalists, hikers, runners, horseback riders and mountain bikes all on the same trails. Mountain bikes are slowly but surely heading into their own category due to the obvious conflicts on the trails - let's follow suit. They are not fighting with the hikers and horsemen - they are going to meetings, doing the work and pursuing their own trails.

Next?

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

See you on the trails...
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In Oregon, trails for OHV are open for the various classes, and generally follow this rule-It is by width, and if you are narrower, you are allowed on them. So a Class III (m/c) single track is just for the bikes. Class I is 50 inch width, so is open to quads and bikes. Class II is full size and catch all class and those trails are open to all classes unless specifically designated for Class II only. And I know of none of those at this time. Class IV, side by sides are 65 inch width, and those trails would also generally be open to Class I and III as well.

So the ATV crowd gets the use of Class II and IV trails without doing anything to help with those in either aquisation or maint. When funding comes down for trails, each class has a pot of $$ to work with based on the number of permits for that class. You will find some Class I $$ going to Class II trials, but no Class II $$ going to Class I trials (Class I can use Class II, but Class II can't use Class I routes)

As of this time in Oregon, I know of no designated Class IV trails, as it is fairly new and the agencies are still coming to terms with them and what they want/need. Kind of lumped with Class II right now for where they can run.

They are still trying to figure their Class I trails and the narrower side by sides, as they fit the width of Class I, but not the seating or control requirements, and may not fit the weight limits either, and some Class I trails may have bridges, etc., not built for that.
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