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Old 10-16-2016, 01:34 PM
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Gary Harting of the Desert Rats and myself from the Peak Putters were approved at the last delegates meeting to attend the WSTC conference over here in Richland. We did, and came away impressed. They put on quite a program, and Gary is working on a report. He's way more organized than I am, and took a pile of notes. Should be available in a few days.

Now, for one thing that happened at lunch Saturday. Jon Snyder, the governor's Policy Advisor, Outdoor Recreation & Economic Development, was our guest speaker. After giving his view on some things, what his position is expected to do, among other things, he opened the floor for questions. No, I'm not too bashful about speaking up at times. So, after introducing myself, I asked why no mention of motorized in his talk, what are they going to do for us, and how can we help? Seems he does know we're out here, and, shockingly, admitted he and his crew really don't know what trails we use, or where they are.

Anyway, after a few more questions from the floor, and me thinking I'd had my 15 seconds of infamy, Gary and I got the whole top level of the DNR and RCO, plus Mr. Snyder, right in our face. And I mean that in a good way. I think I can be reasonably sure these guys want our participation and input as to what we need and expect so that we can continue recreating in our chosen manner.

I'm going to be blunt here, and not very apologetic about it. We, as an organization, have been offered an opportunity to step up and take an active role in what RCO does, and start having input with DNR, and even the Gov's office. Gary and I had input in several sessions, met some people that may, if we work it right, be able to help forward our cause, and maybe remove some of the stigma too many out there attach to what we do. I would like, very much, to believe that management will build on the small beginning Gary and I started this weekend, and make PNW4WDA the advocate is should be!

Here's the gentlemen whose attention we were lucky enough to draw:

Jon Snyder, Outdoor Recreation Policy Advisor to Gov. Jay Inslee

Glenn Glover, Recreation Program Manager, Washington DNR and President of WSTC

Ted Willhite, Chair, RCO Recreation and Conservation Funding Board

I have the list of the 205 kids that were there, and e-mail addresses, so we are well equipped to contact the people we need to get things rolling.
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Old 10-17-2016, 12:41 PM
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Thank You and Gary for going and stepping up.
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Old 10-17-2016, 01:22 PM
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Posted to WSTC Facebook page:

On behalf of myself, Gary Harting, and the members of the Pacific Northwest 4 Wheel Drive Association, I would like to thank WSTC and it's members for their dedication and passion for what they do, and for this weekend's conference. We learned a lot, met some good people, and look forward to helping where we can in the future.
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Old 10-17-2016, 01:29 PM
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Thank You and Gary for going and stepping up.

Thank you sir! It was, to say the least, educational.
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Old 10-17-2016, 02:14 PM
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Now, here's some numbers for you to think on. These are pulled from the RCO website, but I don't know their sources. If it's OIA, it needs looked at.


Dollars / Users

Hiking: $2,164,952,296.00 / 2,772,177
Bicycle riding: $3,136,644,285.00 / 1,897,836
Horseback riding: $2,292,986,614.00 / 396,025
Off-roading: $2,292,961,301.00 / 786,907


Per person

hiker: $781
biker: $1653
horse: $5790
4x4: $2914

Yeah, I know, 3.5 times as many hikers, but with that output per person, seems we could deserve a little more attention.
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Now that the two of you have opened the door a crack, I would hope the "management" (since virtually all of them are up there) are going to step up and pry that door wide open.

Anything I can do to help from down here, just holler, and I don't even recreate up north.
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Old 10-21-2016, 03:20 PM
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First exchange from contacts made at WSTC conference:

Leslie,

I attended your session at the WSTC conference, and would be curious of you've distilled the comments put on your wall sheets down to the point they are usable. If so, I'd like to hear your thoughts on what everyone had to say.

As an avid advocate for motorized recreation, where our sport is going to fit into the planning process is of some concern. We have been seeing a serious reduction in the areas we are able to use, and being put in smaller areas, there is worry about overloading in the areas left. Our sport is one of the faster growing sectors of outdoor recreation, and any detrimental impacts this shrinking use area will have on the ground is important.

An opportunity to have input during the planning process will be of benefit to all, as we will be able to discuss concerns across the entire spectrum of the outdoor recreation world. The PNW4WDA would enjoy the chance to share our stories, and learn from others in an effort to improve how we interact with those we share our woods and mountains with.

Thank you for your time, and we enjoyed sitting in with you.

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Good morning,

Thanks for your email and your interest in the next statewide recreation plan. I havenít distilled the session notes yet. When I do, I will pass them along to you.

Iím developing a work plan for involving the different sectors of recreation. My idea right now is to reach out to users groups directly and maybe convene some focus groups, particularly to discuss the resident survey and provider survey data and developing strategies for the future. As I develop my work plan, I will definitely touch base with you about pulling together interests from the off-road community. It also sounds like youíre interested in participating in a broader discussion about the importance of off-road in relation to other recreation needs of the state which is great.

When we spoke, I mentioned to you an idea about the role of the NOVA advisory committee is working with state land managers. Iím wondering whether you think we are meeting the intent described or if thereís room for improvement in engaging the NOVA committee. Hereís the statute I was referencing: http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.09.340

Thanks again for the conversation. I really appreciate you reaching out and getting in touch with me.

Regards,

Leslie Connelly
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Old 10-22-2016, 03:42 PM
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Note from Glenn Glover:

Dave and Gary, I'm really glad that you were able to attend and saw the value for motorized users! We never want this conference to be just about non-motorized trail users so I hope you will share with your friends and key advocates at PNW4WD that this is an event to participate in next time. Many of the attendees would be very interested in presentations about motorized recreation - examples of successes, or what doesn't work, funding challenges, what a good trail experience is like, etc. The possibilities for a good presentation are almost endless. We've added you to our newsletter email list but share with the organizations leadership to also sign up for the newsletter http://washingtonstatetrailscoalition.org/get-involved/

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